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		<title>By: Doug_Hudiburg</title>
		<link>http://www.visiolo.com/blog/marketing-foundation/the-marketing-layer-cake/comment-page-1/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug_Hudiburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ray,
Glad you liked the post. Great question also -- let me take them one at a time.
In my system, Vision is part of the Brand block in the Marketing Foundation. I take a larger view of &quot;Brand&quot; than a lot of people - for me, Brand is first about Vision, then about Values (the core &#039;rules&#039; or that drive how a company behaves) and then, finally, about Personality (the outward representation of what a company stands for).
Goals, however, are part of a planning process that isn&#039;t necessarily part of the Marketing meta-structure, but certainly informed by the various elements of marketing.  Goals aren&#039;t, structurally, part of the marketing picture, but they should certainly be in sync with it -- so some goals are marketing related, and some aren&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ray,<br />
Glad you liked the post. Great question also &#8212; let me take them one at a time.<br />
In my system, Vision is part of the Brand block in the Marketing Foundation. I take a larger view of &#8220;Brand&#8221; than a lot of people &#8211; for me, Brand is first about Vision, then about Values (the core &#8216;rules&#8217; or that drive how a company behaves) and then, finally, about Personality (the outward representation of what a company stands for).<br />
Goals, however, are part of a planning process that isn&#8217;t necessarily part of the Marketing meta-structure, but certainly informed by the various elements of marketing.  Goals aren&#8217;t, structurally, part of the marketing picture, but they should certainly be in sync with it &#8212; so some goals are marketing related, and some aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.visiolo.com/blog/marketing-foundation/the-marketing-layer-cake/comment-page-1/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doug,

Great post and I totally agree. However I wonder why you have not mentioned a dream/vision/goals layer? Is that not considered part of marketing?

Ray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug,</p>
<p>Great post and I totally agree. However I wonder why you have not mentioned a dream/vision/goals layer? Is that not considered part of marketing?</p>
<p>Ray</p>
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		<title>By: Doug_Hudiburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug_Hudiburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting Paul. I often use the metaphor (it must be metaphor day here, LOL) of a building to describe the marketing foundation concept.  Especially with clients who tend to get anxious until they can see the shiny walls go up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Paul. I often use the metaphor (it must be metaphor day here, LOL) of a building to describe the marketing foundation concept.  Especially with clients who tend to get anxious until they can see the shiny walls go up!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug_Hudiburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug_Hudiburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John! Long time no chat :-) I hope I see you a lot around here. 

&quot;The whole purpose of The Fulfilment Spiral is to turn your buyers into your most productive, profitable sellers — or evangelists, as Willie puts it. And that takes a considerable amount of emotional output.&quot;

I like your idea of using a sprial metaphor -- much more true to what actually happens instead of a funnel metaphor.

Thanks for adding to the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John! Long time no chat <img src='http://www.visiolo.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I hope I see you a lot around here. </p>
<p>&#8220;The whole purpose of The Fulfilment Spiral is to turn your buyers into your most productive, profitable sellers — or evangelists, as Willie puts it. And that takes a considerable amount of emotional output.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like your idea of using a sprial metaphor &#8212; much more true to what actually happens instead of a funnel metaphor.</p>
<p>Thanks for adding to the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Klein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doug,

Wonderful post and insightful. 

I agree that without a proper structure, your marketing can be in vain.
In my former work, I dealt with civil engineering and construction inspection where we always dealt with the base foundation being the key to solid support. Without it, the loveliest architect&#039;s rendering would be nothing without proper structure.

As such, once a project is completed, the public eye sees the finished product, perhaps without understanding all the intricate layers that go into producing it in the first place.

I like your take on Willie Crawford&#039;s use of the evangelists. Once you get loyal customers who understand your product/service/structure more completely, and are using it to help their goals/businesses, they are naturally going to tell others about you and your product(s).

Thanks for your tips!
Paul Klein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug,</p>
<p>Wonderful post and insightful. </p>
<p>I agree that without a proper structure, your marketing can be in vain.<br />
In my former work, I dealt with civil engineering and construction inspection where we always dealt with the base foundation being the key to solid support. Without it, the loveliest architect&#8217;s rendering would be nothing without proper structure.</p>
<p>As such, once a project is completed, the public eye sees the finished product, perhaps without understanding all the intricate layers that go into producing it in the first place.</p>
<p>I like your take on Willie Crawford&#8217;s use of the evangelists. Once you get loyal customers who understand your product/service/structure more completely, and are using it to help their goals/businesses, they are naturally going to tell others about you and your product(s).</p>
<p>Thanks for your tips!<br />
Paul Klein</p>
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		<title>By: John Counsel</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Counsel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doug — nicely put!

Marketing is often misunderstood because its classic definition (&quot;identify an unmet need and satisfy it&quot;) is so manifestly inadequate. No emotion involved, for a start, and it only represents the first 5 of the 8 stages in the complete Fulfilment Spiral.

The whole purpose of The Fulfilment Spiral is to turn your buyers into your most productive, profitable sellers — or evangelists, as Willie puts it. And that takes a considerable amount of emotional output.

Those three final, missing stages make all the difference, and they&#039;re precisely what&#039;s missing from most marketing strategies. So we end up with half-baked &quot;solutions&quot; like loyalty programs and &quot;ethical bribes&quot;, none of which create any real loyalty because they ARE bribery!

If the role of the marketer is to &quot;identify an unmet need and satisfy it&quot;, the role of the seller is critically important: to get people to WANT what they need, because no matter how much they may NEED your solution, until they WANT it, they won&#039;t BUY it.

I&#039;ve always like the analogy comparing marketing to duck hunting.

The marketer knows where the ducks are, when they&#039;re there and why they&#039;re there. He/she knows when it legal to shoot them, and how many. He/she attracts the ducks with decoys, sounds, etc and scares the unattracted ones into the air. He/she loads and aims the gun and pulls the trigger... then sends the sellers after them to bring them back in!

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug — nicely put!</p>
<p>Marketing is often misunderstood because its classic definition (&#8220;identify an unmet need and satisfy it&#8221;) is so manifestly inadequate. No emotion involved, for a start, and it only represents the first 5 of the 8 stages in the complete Fulfilment Spiral.</p>
<p>The whole purpose of The Fulfilment Spiral is to turn your buyers into your most productive, profitable sellers — or evangelists, as Willie puts it. And that takes a considerable amount of emotional output.</p>
<p>Those three final, missing stages make all the difference, and they&#8217;re precisely what&#8217;s missing from most marketing strategies. So we end up with half-baked &#8220;solutions&#8221; like loyalty programs and &#8220;ethical bribes&#8221;, none of which create any real loyalty because they ARE bribery!</p>
<p>If the role of the marketer is to &#8220;identify an unmet need and satisfy it&#8221;, the role of the seller is critically important: to get people to WANT what they need, because no matter how much they may NEED your solution, until they WANT it, they won&#8217;t BUY it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always like the analogy comparing marketing to duck hunting.</p>
<p>The marketer knows where the ducks are, when they&#8217;re there and why they&#8217;re there. He/she knows when it legal to shoot them, and how many. He/she attracts the ducks with decoys, sounds, etc and scares the unattracted ones into the air. He/she loads and aims the gun and pulls the trigger&#8230; then sends the sellers after them to bring them back in!</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Doug_Hudiburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug_Hudiburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ryan,

I&#039;ve really enjoyed getting to know you through Twitter. Thanks for taking the time to comment here.  I owe the Evangelists part to Willie Crawford who pointed out to me that there is that third type of customer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ryan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve really enjoyed getting to know you through Twitter. Thanks for taking the time to comment here.  I owe the Evangelists part to Willie Crawford who pointed out to me that there is that third type of customer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Healy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Doug. Really good way of breaking it all down into something that is easy to understand.

I like how you distinguished between customers, repeat customers, and evangelists. Most people think the job is done after the first sale when it&#039;s actually just getting started.

Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Doug. Really good way of breaking it all down into something that is easy to understand.</p>
<p>I like how you distinguished between customers, repeat customers, and evangelists. Most people think the job is done after the first sale when it&#8217;s actually just getting started.</p>
<p>Ryan</p>
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