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		<title>By: Doug_Hudiburg</title>
		<link>http://www.visiolo.com/blog/marketing-theory/a-21-word-definition-of-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-787</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug_Hudiburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Al. I really enjoyed Seth&#039;s &#039;between frames&#039; post (as usual with his stuff) but thanks for giving it more context for me.
Here, btw, is the full link for anyone who wants to read it:
http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2010/01/in-between-frames.html
&quot;uncovering the value the client sees in the product&quot;
Very well said.
This is surprisingly hard to do as well. It&#039;s why people (self included) have such a hard time writing good sales copy for their own products. It&#039;s very difficult to get out of your own perspective and into the perspective of customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Al. I really enjoyed Seth&#8217;s &#8216;between frames&#8217; post (as usual with his stuff) but thanks for giving it more context for me.<br />
Here, btw, is the full link for anyone who wants to read it:<br />
<a href="http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2010/01/in-between-frames.html" rel="nofollow">http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2010/01/in-between-frames.html</a><br />
&#8220;uncovering the value the client sees in the product&#8221;<br />
Very well said.<br />
This is surprisingly hard to do as well. It&#8217;s why people (self included) have such a hard time writing good sales copy for their own products. It&#8217;s very difficult to get out of your own perspective and into the perspective of customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doug,

Great post as usual and I love the definition. I&#039;m inclined to agree with Courtney where the focus seems to be personal greed rather than providing value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug,</p>
<p>Great post as usual and I love the definition. I&#8217;m inclined to agree with Courtney where the focus seems to be personal greed rather than providing value.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doug, thanks for the comments on marketing, particular the sections on identifying marketing need before you create a product and seeing all things in your business as marketing.  See Seth Godin&#039;s post on January 20  http://sethgodin.typepad.com/In between frames illustrates this second point perfectly.  

I want to expand one section of your comments.  We make a mistake if we think we add value.  We need to discovered the customer&#039;s value.  In the end, it doesn&#039;t make any different what value we see in our product or service.  It&#039;s uncovering the value the client sees in the product or service.  This is another way of saying, some focusing on our products and start focusing on our customers.  Hope this helps expand the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug, thanks for the comments on marketing, particular the sections on identifying marketing need before you create a product and seeing all things in your business as marketing.  See Seth Godin&#8217;s post on January 20  <a href="http://sethgodin.typepad.com/In" rel="nofollow">http://sethgodin.typepad.com/In</a> between frames illustrates this second point perfectly.  </p>
<p>I want to expand one section of your comments.  We make a mistake if we think we add value.  We need to discovered the customer&#8217;s value.  In the end, it doesn&#8217;t make any different what value we see in our product or service.  It&#8217;s uncovering the value the client sees in the product or service.  This is another way of saying, some focusing on our products and start focusing on our customers.  Hope this helps expand the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: John Counsel</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Counsel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

Sorry — the headline mentioned a new definition of marketing and I took that as being it.

I find focusing on the desired outcome of a process (the Oyster Principle — http://oysterprinciple.com) works very well as a definition. The other components of the process are implied — and would be articulated in a description of the marketing process. But a description is different from a definition, in much the same way that a vision statement is different from a mission statement.

In that sense, it&#039;s no different to the classic, seriously-flawed definition of marketing as &quot;identify a need and satisfy it&quot;. It&#039;s devoid of any implementation (and, in this case, of any emotional dimension) — but a definition usually is. Definitions (in terms of human performance) are usually simple statements of cause-and-effect — what to do and why to do it. Not how.

The implied components would include identifying a need, finding a solution, testing, pricing, distribution, targeting that market (needs define markets) with the most effective offers, using the most effective and affordable media mix, then ensuring that the Three Criteria of Fulfilment (safety, efficacy and value) are met so as to trigger the emotional fulfilment that impels your elated buyers to talk about you enthusiastically to others with the same need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Sorry — the headline mentioned a new definition of marketing and I took that as being it.</p>
<p>I find focusing on the desired outcome of a process (the Oyster Principle — <a href="http://oysterprinciple.com)" rel="nofollow">http://oysterprinciple.com)</a> works very well as a definition. The other components of the process are implied — and would be articulated in a description of the marketing process. But a description is different from a definition, in much the same way that a vision statement is different from a mission statement.</p>
<p>In that sense, it&#8217;s no different to the classic, seriously-flawed definition of marketing as &#8220;identify a need and satisfy it&#8221;. It&#8217;s devoid of any implementation (and, in this case, of any emotional dimension) — but a definition usually is. Definitions (in terms of human performance) are usually simple statements of cause-and-effect — what to do and why to do it. Not how.</p>
<p>The implied components would include identifying a need, finding a solution, testing, pricing, distribution, targeting that market (needs define markets) with the most effective offers, using the most effective and affordable media mix, then ensuring that the Three Criteria of Fulfilment (safety, efficacy and value) are met so as to trigger the emotional fulfilment that impels your elated buyers to talk about you enthusiastically to others with the same need.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug_Hudiburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug_Hudiburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Cynthia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Cynthia!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug_Hudiburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug_Hudiburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Courtney. Value *is* king :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Courtney. Value *is* king <img src='http://www.visiolo.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Doug_Hudiburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug_Hudiburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John. I think you misunderstood my post. I wasn&#039;t putting “everything you do in your business that puts money in your pocket” forth as my definition, but I do, in terms of an Infopreneur business, think it&#039;s pretty true.
A focus on turning customers into sellers is, indeed, a productive focus, but I think it leaves a bit out in terms of a definition of &quot;marketing.&quot;  I mean, you need some other elements in order to actually get the buyers in the first place, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John. I think you misunderstood my post. I wasn&#8217;t putting “everything you do in your business that puts money in your pocket” forth as my definition, but I do, in terms of an Infopreneur business, think it&#8217;s pretty true.<br />
A focus on turning customers into sellers is, indeed, a productive focus, but I think it leaves a bit out in terms of a definition of &#8220;marketing.&#8221;  I mean, you need some other elements in order to actually get the buyers in the first place, right?</p>
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		<title>By: John Counsel</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Counsel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doug,

Excellent post, but for me “everything you do in your business that puts money in your pocket” is just too broad a definition for marketing. 

Saving on costs can add more to your bottom line than selling products and services, at least in percentage terms. If your net profit margin is 25% (hah!), every $1 you take in sales revenue adds just 25 cents to your bottom line. But every $1 you save in costs adds $1 to your bottom line... a fact lost on most small and home-based entrepreneurs.

By that definition, saving on costs qualifies as marketing, because it &quot;puts money in your pocket&quot;. (And are we talking revenue or profit? If you&#039;re a typical Internet marketer showing your &quot;income&quot;, it&#039;s always gross revenue, because that&#039;s far more impressive to inexperienced people who don&#039;t realize that after costs — including JV commissions of 75%-100% — are deducted from that $750,000 launch &quot;income&quot;, the net profits can be very thin indeed. I&#039;ve seen launches of that magnitude result in net profits to the individual concerned of less than $3,000.)

I find the most useful — and targeted — definition of marketing is one I formulated almost 20 years ago for my MBA marketing students: &quot;turning your buyers into your most productive, profitable sellers.&quot;

If you can achieve that, consistently, your grasp of marketing is pretty darned solid.

Best regards,

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug,</p>
<p>Excellent post, but for me “everything you do in your business that puts money in your pocket” is just too broad a definition for marketing. </p>
<p>Saving on costs can add more to your bottom line than selling products and services, at least in percentage terms. If your net profit margin is 25% (hah!), every $1 you take in sales revenue adds just 25 cents to your bottom line. But every $1 you save in costs adds $1 to your bottom line&#8230; a fact lost on most small and home-based entrepreneurs.</p>
<p>By that definition, saving on costs qualifies as marketing, because it &#8220;puts money in your pocket&#8221;. (And are we talking revenue or profit? If you&#8217;re a typical Internet marketer showing your &#8220;income&#8221;, it&#8217;s always gross revenue, because that&#8217;s far more impressive to inexperienced people who don&#8217;t realize that after costs — including JV commissions of 75%-100% — are deducted from that $750,000 launch &#8220;income&#8221;, the net profits can be very thin indeed. I&#8217;ve seen launches of that magnitude result in net profits to the individual concerned of less than $3,000.)</p>
<p>I find the most useful — and targeted — definition of marketing is one I formulated almost 20 years ago for my MBA marketing students: &#8220;turning your buyers into your most productive, profitable sellers.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you can achieve that, consistently, your grasp of marketing is pretty darned solid.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple and spot on.    Great post Doug!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple and spot on.    Great post Doug!</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be required reading for anyone who is a newbie to Internet marketing before they get swept up in the &quot;crap out a new product every week, collect the money and run&quot; mindset that some seem to hold. Value above all else is the most important! This was an excellent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be required reading for anyone who is a newbie to Internet marketing before they get swept up in the &#8220;crap out a new product every week, collect the money and run&#8221; mindset that some seem to hold. Value above all else is the most important! This was an excellent post.</p>
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